NORTH BRITISH RAILWAY STUDY GROUP

Carriage diagram list – eight wheel carriages

Notes

  1. This list summarises information extracted from two carriage diagram books produced by the NBR, one c. 1908 and the other c. 1921.
  2. Each diagram has been given a unique reference number and the NBR 1908, NBR 1921 and LNER diagram numbers, if allocated, are quoted.
  3. The diagrams are sorted by class. A build date is also given, if known.
  4. The abbreviation ‘NPCS’ means ‘Non-Passenger Carrying Stock’.

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8 Wheel Bogie Firsts

Ref NBR 1908 Dia NBR 1921 Dia LNER Dia Type / description NBR numbers Length over buffers Body length Body width Roof height Wheel​base Wheel dia Bogie ctrs
C00101 1 1B / 254B Eight Wheel Bogie First 1889-90
7 Compartment First.
138 52'-​7" 49'-​8" 7'-​6" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C0050 5 5 5B Eight Wheel Bogie First 1894
First Class Saloon (WH). (a) These 4 vehicles were built by Holmes for the West Highland Line and were brought into use when the line opened on 7th August 1894. A typical WHR train of the period is believed to have consisted of one first (diagram 5), plus two thirds (diagram 6) and a brake composite (diagram 7). b) Brakes were originally Westinghouse only and it is believed they were altered to dual (W & V) prior to 1912. In common with similar NBR stock, they would probably have been converted to vacuum only by the LNER c1930s c) Last example, 256, withdrawn 4/2/1939 d) GWMS passenger capacity (32) differs from HMRS (30) and AAM (30). 30 assumed correct, as built.
256-259 50'-​1" 47'-​2" 8'-​0" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 31'-​6"
C047048 47 38B Eight Wheel Bogie First 1903
7 Compartment First. Steel Solebars
410-419 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 8'-​0" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C0690 72 69 59B Eight Wheel Bogie First 1905
7 Compartment First. Steel Solebars
145, 222, 224, 294, 298, 304, 308, 318, 326 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 8'-​6" 12'-​1" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C0750 78 75 63B Eight Wheel Bogie First 1907
7 Compartment Corridor First. Steel Solebars. Further batch built 1920/21
457-460, 477, 478, 481-488, 490-497 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​5"
C0760 79 76 64B Eight Wheel Bogie First 1907-8
8 Compartment First. a) 54 non-corridor Firsts ordered after meeting on 13/10/1906 as follows: 16 from Metropolitan C&W at £1971 each, running nos 420-435 10 from Hurst Nelson at £1961 15s each, running nos 436-445 8 from Brush Electrical at £1810 each, running nos 446-453 b) Loco & Stores Committee at meeting on 18/5/1911 agreed to convert 10 Firsts into composites, at £215 each, and 6 were chosen from diagram 76 vehicles, as listed. Vehicles re-numbered in Composite series c) On 29/1/1919 two further Firsts were ordered, to charge BIR.121. These took the vacated running nos 448 & 449 and were the only carriges of this type built with steel underframes. They were the last non-corridor Firsts built for the NBR. d) In the original design of diagram 76 vehicles, the compartments were split 4 smokers, 3 non-smokers and 1 smoker, with the smoking designation etched on the fixed lights. This was dispensed with after 11/2/1919. e) In common with many NBR vehicles, roof ventilators were only fitted above the end compartments. f) As originally contructed, only Westinghouse brakes were fitted, but dual systems were fitted from around 1910. LNER gradually replaced dual systems with vacuum only.
420-453 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C1230128 123 99B Eight Wheel Bogie First 1893 (NER)
First Open Dining Saloon. Built for NER in 1893 by Lancaster C&W Co and allocated ECJS no. 193. Subsequently acquired by the NBR in 1910.
469 49'-​11" 48'-​11" 8'-​3" 12'-​1½" 8'-​0" 3'-​9" 30'-​6"

8 Wheel Bogie Thirds

Ref NBR 1908 Dia NBR 1921 Dia LNER Dia Type / description NBR numbers Length over buffers Body length Body width Roof height Wheel​base Wheel dia Bogie ctrs
C00202 2 2B Eight Wheel Bogie Third
8 Compartment Third. a) Construction of 10-12 third class carriages approved at Locomotive & Stores Committee meeting on 15/12/1888. b) Holmes followed his first design for bogie carriages (1885) with this series, consisting of firsts, thirds and brake thirds. c) Brakes were Westinghouse as originally built. Later fitted for vacuum operation. No details on dates of conversion. d) 2 thirds burned at Craigendoran 15/12/1892.
996-1000, 1121, 1123-1125 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 7'-​6" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C0040 4 4 4B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1889-90
7 Compartment Brake Third.
1126, 112752'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 7'-​6" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C0060 6 6 6B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1984
Third Class Saloon (WH). a) These 8 vehicles were built by Holmes, originally for West Highland Line and were brought into use when the line opened on 7th August 1894. A typical WHR train of the period is believed to have consisted of one first (diagram 5), plus two thirds (diagram 6) and a brake composite (diagram 7). b) Brakes were originally Westinghouse only this was altered to dual (W & V) prior to 1912. In common with similar NBR stock, they were converted to vacuum only by the LNER prior to 1930. c) The vehicles would have been displaced from the WHR route around 1913, with the introduction of new bogie stock and re-allocated to secondary routes or cross-country services. In early LNER days, at least one train was noted as working from Duns. Towards the end of their life, some were used on special or excursion services. d) GWMS passenger capacity (50) differs from HMRS (42) and AAM (40) - 40 assumed.
1245-1252 50'-​1" 47'-​2" 8'-​0" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 31'-​6"
C0430 44 43 34B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1901-1904
8 Compartment Third. Steel solebars. see drawing 358C for details of underframes and brakes.
1595-1664 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 8'-​0" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C0450 46 45 36B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1902
3 Compartment Brake Third.
1645-1656, 1767-1780 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 8'-​0" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C0460 47 46 37B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1902-05
Lavatory Third, 7 Compartment. 90 vehicles built as follows: Nos 1665-1675 built 1902, 1676-1693 built 1903, 1694-1744 built 1904, 1745-1754 built 1905 No 1745 involved in Elliot Junction disaster These coaches were originally intended to be constructed to diagram 44/43, without lavatory.
1665-1754 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 8'-​0" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C0580 60 58 48B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1905
5 Compartment Brake Third. Reid’s first coach design.
1781-1790 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 8'-​0" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C0720 75 72 62B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1906-7
8 Compartment Corridor Third. 12 vehicles built 1906 of which 6 were required for Aberdeen Block Trains. A further 44 built in 1907.
1791-1846 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C0770 80 77 65B / 294B Eight Wheel Bogie Third c1906
Corridor Brake Third. Steel Solebars
299, 414, 432, 442, 463, 478, 512, 530, 532, 1847-1853 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C0780 81 78 66B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1906
Corridor Brake Third. Steel Solebars.
417, 424, 481, 482, 500, 536, 548, 562, 579, 583, 1854-1863 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C0950 110 95 73B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1908-16
5 Compartment Brake Third. This vehicle became the NBR’s ‘standard’ brake third until the introduction of the 4 compartment version c1920. Mixture of gas and electric lighting due to the fact that the NBR Directors decided to revert from electric to incandescent gas light in 1908 -this decision was reversed in 1913.
8, 24, 32, 44, 48, 56, 110, 118, 133, 141, 178, 226, 289, 300­309, 446, 508, 639, 1213 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C1000 120 100 76B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1909-1921
9 Compartment Third. Introduced by Reid in 1909, this type of vehicle became the NBR’s standard non-corridor 3rd, with a total of 115 being built. The wooden bodies were constructed largely of teak, with the outside panels of mahogany. The interior was finished in yellow pine. Seats were woven wire upholstered in french carpet material of NB pattern. The floor of each compartment was covered in brown linoleum. Steam heated. Originally, two compartments at each end of the vehicle were designated for smoking, indicated by blue labels with white letters. In some vehicles, the 4 smoking compartments were located together, 4 compartments from one end and 1 compartment from the other end.
5, 83, 103-106, 237-244,398, 409-412, 445, 519, 533-537, 549-551, 572-575, 730, 1187 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C1160 116 92B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1912.
Compartment Coupe Third Brake (WH). 8 Vehicles built for West Highland Railway
157, 164, 173, 175, 200, 210, 211, 224 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C1590 159 126B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1920
Vestibule Brake Third. Ordered on 3/3/1919, these were the only NBR brake third corridor vestibule vehicles with 4 compartments, although similar to other vehicle types built since 1906. Two compartments were designated for smoking. See drawing 1567C for details of lettering
557, 558 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C1610 161 128B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1920
4 Compartment Brake Third.
502-507, 509, 511, 513, 515, 516, 518, 520, 521, 523, 524, 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C1620 162 129B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1920-21
Vestibule Third. See drawing 1520CB for details of lettering
559-561, 563-565, 568, 569, 584-591 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C1660 166 133B Eight Wheel Bogie Third 1921-22
Saloon Third. Two coaches built by Chalmers on 49 ft all-steel chassis. AAM notes give layout as 1Third, 1Lav, 1Luggage, 1 Toilet, 3 Saloon.
1236, 1237 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"

8 Wheel Bogie Composites

Ref NBR 1908 Dia NBR 1921 Dia LNER Dia Type / description NBR numbers Length over buffers Body length Body width Roof height Wheel​base Wheel dia Bogie ctrs
C0030 3 3 3B Eight Wheel Bogie Composite 1885
Luggage Composite. This was the first bogie coach built for NBR. Relatively few built.
No running number identified 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 7'-​6" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C0070 7 7 7B Eight Wheel Bogie Composite 1894
Brake Composite Coupe (WH). a) These 6 vehicles were built by Holmes, originally for West Highland Line. It is assumed the build dates were similar to diagrams 5 & 6 and also assumed these vehicles were built at Cowlairs, likewise. A typical WHR train of the period is believed to have consisted of one first (diagram 5), plus two thirds (diagram 6) and a brake composite (diagram 7). b) There is less detailed information available on these coaches than the others (diagrams 5 & 6). It is reasonable to assume that brake details would have been similar, with Westinghouse originally, giving way to dual (W & V), then vacuum only by the 1930s c) Some details of individual vehicle re-numbering by LNER is known. Nos: 32368-72 have been identified, but uncertain how they match to the NBR nos. d) One vehicle (original number not known), was re-numbered 466, when it was converted to an officer’s saloon in 1918 and became diagram 150, which lasted until 1960 e) All other vehicles were withdrawn by the LNER by 1939.
202-207 50'-​1" 47'-​8" 8'-​0" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 31'-​6"
C0700 73 70 60B Eight Wheel Bogie Composite 1906-7
Corridor Lavatory Composite. 4 vehicles built in 1906 for Aberdeen Block Trains. Further five built1907. Used GWMS bogie centre dimension. HMRS quotes 48'-​5"
241-249 61'-​2¾" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C0930 107 93 Eight Wheel Bogie Composite 1879
Lavatory Composite. 6 Vehicles transferred to NBR c1898. Running numbers believed to be correct.
212-217 43'-​2" 40'-​0" 8'-​1" 11'-​8" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 24'-​8"
C1010 123 101 77B Eight Wheel Bogie Composite 1910
Luggage Composite These carriages were a development of an earlier bogie luggage composite introduced by the NBR c1890. They were useful as through carriages, where brake vehicles were not required. The first class accommodation consisted of 2 smokers, 2 non-smokers and 1 smoker and the third class was 2 smoker and 1 non-smoker. First compartments seated 4 per side and thirds 5 per side. Gas was supplied from two cylinders and fed to each lamp through a roof mounted pipe.
24, 58, 148, 150, 256 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C1070 107 83B Eight Wheel Bogie Composite 1911-16
Composite.
6, 7, 9, 11, 13, 26, 27, 113, 117, 130, 131, 137 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C1080 108 84B / 242B Eight Wheel Bogie Composite 1907/1911
Corridor Composite. Converted from 1920 diagram 75.
157-160 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C1090 109 85B Eight Wheel Bogie Composite 1908
Composite. a) Loco & Stores Committee at meeting on 18/5/1911, agreed to convert 10 firsts to composites at cost of £215 each. b) 6 of the coaches converted were from diagram 76 stock, nos 448­453. They were re-numbered in the composite series as 151-156 and allocated diagram 109. Thes 6 were from an original batch of 8 diagram 76 Firsts built by Brush. SEE DIAGRAM REF:079/076 for details. c) The NBR conversion c1911 did not alter the exterior, other than the painting style. d) As originally contructed, only Westinghouse brakes were fitted, but dual systems were fitted from around 1910. LNER gradually replaced dual systems with vacuum only.
151-156 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C1170 117 93B Eight Wheel Bogie Composite 1912
Composite Coupe (WH). 4 vehicles built for West Highland Railway.
70-73 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C1190 119 95B Eight Wheel Bogie Composite 1913
Brake Composite. Steel underframe.
81, 83, 116, 133 61'-​2¾" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C1200 120 96B Eight Wheel Bogie Composite 1913/14
Corridor Luggage Composite Luggage compartment doors were fitted with one droplight and one fixed light and the glass was protected by horizontal brass bars, 5 per window. Torpedo ventilators were provided over the extreme end compartments (located over compartment centreline) and over the lavatories (located over carriage centreline). Lighting wiring was carried on the roof of the vehicle, similar to gas lighting in other vehicles. LNER diagrams 297B and 298B were identical, except for the design of the armrests.
1-5, 57, 64, 66, 76, 8061'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C1210 121 97B Eight Wheel Bogie Composite 1905 (NER)
Composite Dining Carriage. Acquired by NBR in 1913.
161, 463 55'-​10" 53'-​6" 9'-​0" 12'-​85/8" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 36'-​6"
C1240 124 100B Eight Wheel Bogie Composite 1913
Semi Corridor Composite.
14, 15, 18, 20-23, 25, 46-54 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"
C1490 149 118B / 254B Eight Wheel Bogie Composite
Composite. These coaches were converted from Holmes diagram 1 (see ref. C0010)
No running number identified. 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 7'-​6" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C1600 160 127B Eight Wheel Bogie Composite 1920
Vestibule Brake Composite. See drawing 1543CB for details of lettering.
31, 32, 59, 60 61'-​27/8" 58'-​4" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 42'-​53/8"

8 Wheel Bogie NPCS

Ref NBR 1908 Dia NBR 1921 Dia LNER Dia Type / description NBR numbers Length over buffers Body length Body width Roof height Wheel​base Wheel dia Bogie ctrs
C0490 50 49 40B Eight Wheel Bogie NPCS c. 1904
Passenger Brake Van. Centrally placed lookouts.
289, 293, 294, 298 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 8'-​0" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C0660 69 66 56B Eight Wheel Bogie NPCS c1905.
Bogie Open Carriage Truck with Folding Sides (15 ton). On 27/4/1905, the L&S Committee agreed to the construction of 2 vehicles at a cost of £377 each for theatrical traffic. Charged to capital. AAM notes say vehicles fitted with centre door and body width at door was 7ft 5in.
215, 216 52'-​7" 49'-​0" 8'-​0" 5'-​9¾" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C0680 71 68 58B Eight Wheel Bogie NPCS 1906
Passenger Brake Van. Appears these were also used on Aberdeen Block Trains until superceded by 1920 diagram 71 Brakes in 1911 —; these had corridor connection.
4, 15, 24, 32, 82, 84, 127, 128, 129, 138 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 8'-​6" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C0710 74 71 61B Eight Wheel Bogie NPCS 1906-21
Passenger Brake Van. 4 vehicles built in 1906 for use on Aberdeen Block Trains. Further 3 built in 1912 and 6 more in 1921
305-308 (1906 build) 25-27, 30, 35 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C1250 125 101B Eight Wheel Bogie NPCS c1914.
Bogie Open Carriage Truck (15 tons). Fixed sides and folding ends.
No running number identified. 52'-​10" 49'-​3" 8'-​0" 5'-​9¾" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C1260 126 102B Eight Wheel Bogie NPCS c1916
Bogie Covered Carriage Truck (10 tons). End loading doors and side hinged doors, which were at 27ft 6in centres.
124, 125 52'-​10" 49'-​6" 8'-​6" 12'-​10" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"

8 Wheel Bogie Unclassed

Ref NBR 1908 Dia NBR 1921 Dia LNER Dia Type / description NBR numbers Length over buffers Body length Body width Roof height Wheel​base Wheel dia Bogie ctrs
C1020 124 102 78B Eight Wheel Bogie Unclassed 1910
Directors & Inspection Saloon. Steel Solebars.
470 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"
C1500 150 7A Eight Wheel Bogie Unclassed
Officers Saloon. a) This Officer’s Saloon was converted from an ex-West Highland brake composite (diagram 7). b) Brakes originally Westinghouse only, which was converted to dual (W & V) probably around 1912. The Westinghouse braking system was removed by the LNER, probably in the 1930s.
466 50'-​1" 47'-​8" 8'-​0" 11'-​9" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 31'-​6"
C1520 152 120B Eight Wheel Bogie Unclassed 1919
Invalid Saloon. Although ordered in 1915, this vehicle was not built until after the war in 1919. The original layout was first class compartment, toilet, saloon with sofa, table, 6'-​6" x 3'-​0" bed and three fixed seats, toilet, third class compartment and luggage compartment. The saloon door from the outside was, in fact, two doors, one being standard and the other a smaller door, presumably to facilitate the invalid entry. A standard vestibule connection was provided at each end. The car became E32283 under BR and latterly Sc32283E. On withdrawal, it was selected for use as a District Engineer’s saloon based at Inverness and was renumbered as DE320577. Both ends were altered at this time. This saloon is believed to be the one now preserved by SRPS.
461 52'-​7" 49'-​81/8" 8'-​6" 12'-​4" 8'-​0" 3'-​6" 34'-​0"