NORTH BRITISH RAILWAY STUDY GROUP

Carriage diagram list – six wheel carriages

Notes

  1. This list summarises information extracted from two carriage diagram books produced by the NBR, one c. 1908 and the other c. 1921.
  2. Each diagram has been given a unique reference number and the NBR 1908, NBR 1921 and LNER diagram numbers, if allocated, are quoted.
  3. The diagrams are sorted by class. A build date is also given, if known.
  4. The abbreviation ‘NPCS’ means ‘Non-Passenger Carrying Stock’.

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6 Wheel Firsts

Ref NBR 1908 Dia NBR 1921 Dia LNER Dia Type / description NBR numbers Length over buffers Body length Body width Roof height Wheel​base Wheel dia Bogie ctrs
B0670 67 Six wheel First 1880-90
First Lavatory. These coaches were transferred to NBR in 1905. They were subsequently modified by the NBR c1918, one becoming diagram 94 and the other diagram 111.
13, 28 37'-​0#190;" 33'-​8" 7'-​9" 11'-​7½" 24'-​0" 3'-​5"
C0090 9 9 9B Six wheel First 1892
Saloon First Class
473-476 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0120 12 12 12B Six wheel First c1880
Saloon First. See also diagram ref: C0080
465 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0170 16 17 15B Six wheel First 1882-99
5 Compartment First Class
No running number identified. 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0180 17 18 16B Six wheel First 1877-99
5 Compartment First Class. No. 414 destroyed in Tay Bridge disaster. Train drawing on sleeve of John Thomas' book on NBR gives weight as 14 tons 5 cwt
414 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0500 52 50 41B Six wheel First 1882-99
First Lavatory. Some were converted to saloons to diagrams 115/128/146
No running number identified. 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0970 113 97 Six wheel First
First Lavatory
235-237 35'-​10" 32'-​6" 7'-​9" 11'-​8" 22'-​10" 3'-​5"
C1110 111 87B Six wheel First
Saloon First. This coach was transferred to NBR in 1905 as diagram 67 (see ref.B0670). It was rebuilt c1918, becoming diagram 111.
No running number identified. 37'-​0¾" 33'-​8" 7'-​9" 11'-​7½" 24'-​0" 3'-​5"
C1150 115 91B Six wheel First
Saloon First. Conversion from First lavatory coach (1920 diagram 50).
No running number identified. 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"

6 Wheel Thirds

Ref NBR 1908 Dia NBR 1921 Dia LNER Dia Type / description NBR numbers Length over buffers Body length Body width Roof height Wheel​base Wheel dia Bogie ctrs
C0080 8 8 8B Six wheel Third 1881
Saloon Third. HMRS ref gives diagram 8 as 3rd class saloon. GWMS drawing notates it as first class. This coach used Drummond’s flexible chassis design. See also diagram ref C0120
1241-1244 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0130 13 13 13B Six wheel Third 1887
Saloon Third Class. HMRS Journal quotes 2 saloons, GWMS shows only 1.
972, 973, 1673 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0190 18 19 17B Six wheel Third 1888-1901
6 Compartment Third Class. Holmes continued to build 6 wheeled carriages based on Drummond’s specifications into the early 1900s. This vehicle represents the standard 6 compartment third which was built in large numbers by Cowlairs. All vehicles had Westinghouse brake and gas lighting.
1041, 1044-1050, 1149-1154, 1156-1160, 1162-1164, 1166, 1168, 1169, 1172-1173 etc 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0200 19 20 18B Six wheel Third 1880-99
6 Compartment Third Class. One running number identified
860 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0410 42 41 32B Six wheel Third 1882-99
Saloon Third Class. Built by Holmes, these carriages are examples of the many variety of saloons built by the NBR. They would not normally be used in service trains, bur would be made available for hire to clubs and societies for outings.
1368-1373 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0420 43 42 33B Six wheel Third 1898-99
Third Class Corridor. These carriages were built at Cowlairs, 8 in 1898 and 4 in 1899 and minutes of the Locomotive & Stores Committee on 10/2/1898 indicate their intended use was to provide for the conveyance of theatrical parties (see NBRSG & GWMS references). They may also have been used on the West Highland Railway (see J Watson HMRS ref.)
1434-1445 40'-​2" 37'-​3" 8'-​2" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0510 53 51 42B Six wheel Third 1875-1890
Third Brake
935, 941, 944, 945, 1053, 1055, 1060, 1132-1135, 1145 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0620 64 62 52B Six wheel Third 1880-90
6 Compartment Third Class. Transferred to NBR in 1905
221, 286, 310, 393, 448 37'-​6" 33'-​11½" 7'-​9" 11'-​7½" 24'-​2" 3'-​5"
C0630 65 63 53B Six wheel Third 1880-90
Third Class 5 Compartment & Luggage. Transferred to NBR in 1905.
458 38'-​4½" 35'-​0" 7'-​9" 11'-​7½" 24'-​1" 3'-​5"
C0640 66 64 54B Six wheel Third 1880-90
4 Compartment Third Brake. Transferred to NBR in 1905.
1 37'-​3" 33'-​10½" 7'-​6" 11'-​7½" 23'-​6" 3'-​5"
C0650 68 65 55B Six wheel Third 1880-90
Saloon Third. Transferred to NBR in 1905.
673, 674 40'-​3" 37'-​0" 8'-​0" 11'-​7½" 25'-​2" 3'-​6"
C0810 85 81 Six wheel Third c1882
Third Lavatory. 3 vehicles transferred to NBR c1898. Running numbers believed to be correct.
1592-1594 34'-​3" 31'-​0" 8'-​1" 11'-​7" 21'-​0" 3'-​6"
C0940 94 72B Six wheel Third
Saloon Third. This coach was one of two transferred to NBR in 1905 as diagram 67 (see ref.B0670). It was rebuilt c1918, becoming diagram 94.
No running number identified. 37'-​¾" 33'-​8" 7'-​9" 11'-​7½" 24'-​0" 3'-​5"
C1030 126 103 79B Six wheel Third 1866
Saloon Third.
1866 39'-​9½" 36'-​5" 8'-​0" 11'-​7½" 24'-​6" 3'-​6"
C1050 129 105 81B Six wheel Third
Saloon Third.
1864, 1866 40'-​10½" 37'-​6" 8'-​6" 11'-​7½" 24'-​8" 3'-​6"
C1120 112 112 85B Six wheel Third
Saloon Third.
1240 39'-​6" 36'-​1" 8'-​0" 11'-​4½" 24'-​2" 3'-​6"
C1140 114 90B Six wheel Third 1909
Saloon Third. Conversion from Compo Lavatory coach (1920 diagram 52)
9, 142, 150, 206, 223, 225, 228, 230, 263, 270, 280-282 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C1270 127 103B Six wheel Third
Saloon Third. Originally 3 vehicles transferred to NBR in 1906 which became 1920 diagram 61 (see ref C0610). One appears to have been converted to Third Saloon as per 1920 diagram 127.
No running number identified 39'-​4½" 36'-​0" 7'-​9" 11'-​8" 24'-​2" 3'-​6"
C1280 128 104B Six wheel Third
Saloon Third. Conversion of a First Lavatory coach (1920 diagram 50).
No running number identified 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C1290 129 105B Six wheel Third 1909
Saloon Third. Conversion from Compo Lavatory coach (1920 diagram 52).
No running number identified. ? 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C1300 130 106B Six wheel Third 1909
Saloon Third. Conversion from Compo Lavatory coach (1920 diagram 52).
No running number identified 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C1310 131 107B Six wheel Third
Saloon Third. Converted from diagram 84 (see ref C0840)
No running number identified 37'-​5" 34'-​0" 7'-​9" 11'-​7" 24'-​4" 3'-​5"
C1320 132 108B Six wheel Third 1909
Saloon Third. Conversion from Compo Lavatory coach (1920 diagram 52).
No running number identified 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C1330 133 135B Six wheel Third 1917
Third Brake. Converted by Reid from earlier Drummond coaches (1920 diagram 14) to provide additional brake vans for commuter trains.
No running number identified 32'-​11" 30'-​0" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 18'-​0" 4'-​0"
C1370 137 112B Six wheel Third c1917
Saloon Third. Assumed to be a conversion by Reid from earlier Holmes coaches (1908 diagram 51).
272 32'-​11" 30'-​0" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 18'-​0" 4'-​0"
C1380 138 113B Six wheel Third 1888
Saloon Third. Originally 3 vehicles transferred to NBR in 1906 which became 1920 diagram 61 (see ref C061). At least one appears to have been converted c1917 to Third Saloon as per 1920 diagram 138
No running number identified 39'-​4½" 36'-​0" 7'-​9" 11'-​7½" 24'-​2" 3'-​6"
C1400 140 115B Six wheel Third 1890
6W 3rd Class 4 Compt Luggage Lav ex-ECJS. Believed NBR received 5 out of total of 17 originally built in Doncaster. Transferred to NBR 1905. This vehicle believed reconstructed by NBR and given 1920 diagram no 140. (See also ref: C0590).
No running number identified 39'-​4½" 36'-​0" 7'-​9" 11'-​7½" 24'-​2" 3'-​6"
C1410 141 Six wheel Third 1883-84
Saloon Third. One of two vehicles transferred to NBR in 1906. Vehicle rebuilt c1917 to 1920 diagram 141 from 1920 diagram 60 (see ref C0600)
No running number identified 38'-​10½" 35'-​6" 7'-​9" 11'-​7½" 24'-​6" 3'-​6"
C1420 142 Six wheel Third c1917
Third Brake. Assumed to be a conversion by Reid from earlier Drummond coaches (1920 diagram 14).
No running number identified 32'-​11" 30'-​0" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 18'-​0" 4'-​0"
C1460 146 116B Six wheel Third
Saloon Third. Conversion from First Lavatory coach (1920 diagram 50)
No running number identified 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C1480 148 Six wheel Third
Saloon Third.
No running number identified 35'-​8½" 32'-​5½" 7'-​9" 11'-​7" 22'-​9½" 3'-​6"
C1580 158 125B Six wheel Third 1909
Saloon Third. Conversion from Compo Lavatory coach (1920 diagram 53 -see ref. C0530)
No running number identified 38'-​4½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C1670 167 Six wheel Third
5 Compartment Third. Converted from 5 compartment First (1920 diagram 18 -see ref.C0180)
No running number identified 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"

6 Wheel Composites

Ref NBR 1908 Dia NBR 1921 Dia LNER Dia Type / description NBR numbers Length over buffers Body length Body width Roof height Wheel​base Wheel dia Bogie ctrs
B0510 51 Six wheel Composite 1888
Composite Lavatory. May have been converted to dia 137
No running number identified. 32'-​11" 30'-​0" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 18'-​0" 4'-​0"
B1080 108 Six wheel Composite
Composite. Running Nos 156 to 165. It is assumed these coaches were built by Ashbury. There is a GWW photo of Waverley which shows such a coach. The width and height dimensions are the same as other Ashbury coaches.
156-165 32'-​6" 28'-​10" 7'-​6" 11'-​2" 9'-​0" 3'-​9"
C0141 14 14 Six wheel Composite 1878
4 Compartment Luggage Composite. These carriages were designed by Drummond in 1878 and as built would have been fitted with Westinghouse brakes, gas lighting, but no heating. No details available as to total number actually built. Numbers listed may not be complete. Some of the early examples were built with domed roofs and there is a GWW photo of Waverley west end which shows the domed roof version. (see ref.C0142)
2, 4, 7, 8, 15, 18, 23, 28, 31, 44, 46, 47, 50, 54, 60, 62, 84, 90, 92, 94, 96, 172, 178, 196 32'-​11" 30'-​0" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 18'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0142 14 14 Six wheel Composite 1878
4 Compartment Luggage Composite (domed roof). These coaches were designed by Drummond in 1878 and as built would have been fitted with Westinghouse brakes, gas lighting, but no heating. No details available as to total number actually built. These early examples were built with domed roofs and there is a GWW photo of Waverley west end which shows one of these carriages. The majority appear to have been built with the standard Drummond roof profile (see ref. C0141)
No running numbers identified 32'-​11" 30'-​0" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 18'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0150 14A 15 14B Six wheel Composite c1880
4 Compartment Composite Brake. These 20 vehicles were originally built by Drummond as luggage composites (diagram 14). They were converted to brakes in 1904 (GWMS drawing quotes 1917) 1913 diagram gives original weight as 11ton 15.5cwt
7, 15, 18, 23, 28, 31, 44, 46, 47, 50, 54, 60, 62, 84, 90, 92, 94, 172, 178, 196 32'-​11" 30'-​0" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 18'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0160 15 16 Six wheel Composite 1881
4 Compartment Composite Brake (Slip). Appears to be only NBR example of a slip coach. No record of which route it was used on.
No running number identified. 35'-​2" 32'-​3" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 20'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0480 49 48 39B Six wheel Composite
Composite Brake
No running number identified. 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0520 54 52 43B / 90B Six wheel Composite 1882-99
Composite Lavatory. Some were later converted to dia 114 & 130
108, 112, 121, 126, 128, 134 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0530 55 53 44B Six wheel Composite 1887
Composite Lavatory
182 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0540 56 54 108B Six wheel Composite 1882-?
Composite Lavatory
No running number identified. 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0590 61 59 49B Six wheel Composite 1890
Composite. Believed NBR received 5 out of total of 17 originally buit in Doncaster Transferred to NBR 1905. One vehicle believed reconstructed by NBR and given 1920 diagram no 140
231-235 39'-​41/8" 36'-​0" 7'-​9" 11'-​7½" 24'-​2" 3'-​6"
C0600 62 60 52B Six wheel Composite 1883-84
Composite. Two vehicles transferred to NBR in 1906. One vehicle was rebuilt c1917 to 1921 diagram 141
236 & 237 38'-​101/8" 35'-​6" 7'-​9" 11'-​7½" 24'-​6" 3'-​6"
C0610 63 61 51B Six wheel Composite 1888
Composite. 3 vehicles transferred to NBR in 1906. At least one appears to have been converted to Third Saloon to 1920 diagram 138 and one to diagram 127.
238-240 39'-​4½" 36'-​0" 7'-​9" 11'-​7½" 24'-​2" 3'-​6"
C0840 92 84 Six wheel Composite
Composite.
197, 199, 200, 226-228 35'-​7" 34'-​0" 7'-​9" 11'-​7" 24'-​4" 3'-​5"
C0870 96 87 Six wheel Composite 1882
Composite. Vehicles transferred to NBR c1898.
218-225 34'-​2" 31'-​0" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 21'-​0" 3'-​7½"
C0880 97 88 Six wheel Composite 1882
Composite Lavatory.
221 34'-​2" 31'-​0" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 21'-​0" 3'-​7½"
C0990 119 99 Six wheel Composite
Composite. Differing layout descriptions between NBRSG and HMRS references. NBRSG quoted above.
229-230 40'-​3" 36'-​10" 7-9½" 11'-​5" 24'-​6" 3'-​6"
C1040 127 104 80B Six wheel Composite
Composite.
257-259 40'-​10½" 37'-​6" 8'-​6" 11'-​7½" 24'-​8" 3'-​6"

6 Wheel NPCS

Ref NBR 1908 Dia NBR 1921 Dia LNER Dia Type / description NBR numbers Length over buffers Body length Body width Roof height Wheel​base Wheel dia Bogie ctrs
C0260 25 26 24B Six wheel NPCS 1875-1890
Passenger Brake Van. 14 of these vans were allocated to carry newspapers, including a number leased to the "Scotsman"
14, 29, 70, 209, 214, 216, 222, 223, 225, 229, 230, 234, 236 32'-​11" 30'-​0" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 18'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0390 40 39 30B Six wheel NPCS c1895
Open Carriage Truck with Folding Sides. Five vehicles ordered by Loco & Stores Committee on 25/10/1894
95-99 35'-​7" 32'-​0" 8'-​1½" 5'-​9#190;" 20'-​0" 3'-​6"
C0440 45 44 35B Six wheel NPCS.
Covered Fish & Milk Van (15 ton). Milk vans were generally similar to the six-wheeled fish vans, but fitted with steps in way of their doors.
FISH: 130, 301-309, 62978-62996 MILK: 62, 127, 130, 131 33'-​7" 30'-​0" 7'-​6" 11'-​47/8" 20'-​0" 3'-​6"
C0670 70 67 57B Six wheel NPCS c1907
Covered Van for Motor Cars (10 ton). On 22/3/1906, L&S Committee authorised construction of 15 vehicles at a cost of £255 each. Fitted with two half doors at each end and two sliding doors on each side.
217-231 34'-​11" 31'-​4" 7'-​9½" 12'-​9½" 21'-​0" 3'-​6"
C1130 113 84B Six wheel NPCS c1912
Coaching Van (Covered Carriage Truck). Similar dimensions to 1920 daigram 67. End door loading, with side sliding doors.
5, 7, 8, 9, 17, 21, 23, 26, 42, 61, 68-70, 72, 74 34'-​11" 31'-​4" 7'-​9½" 12'-​9½" 21'-​0" 3'-​6"
C1350 135 110B Six wheel NPCS 1917
Passenger Brake Van. Converted by Reid from earlier Drummond coaches (1920 diagram 14) to provide additional brake vans for commuter trains.
No running number identified 32'-​11" 30'-​0" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 18'-​0" 4'-​0"
C1570 157 124B Six wheel NPCS
Passenger Brake (Vestibuled).
No running number identified 35'-​5½" 32'-​0" 8'-​10" 11'-​7½" 22'-​4" 3'-​6"

6 Wheel Unclassed

Ref NBR 1908 Dia NBR 1921 Dia LNER Dia Type / description NBR numbers Length over buffers Body length Body width Roof height Wheel​base Wheel dia Bogie ctrs
C0100 10 10 10B Six wheel Unclassed 1887
Saloon Invalid. Only one coach of this type built by Holmes
464 35'-​2" 32'-​3" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 21'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0110 11 11 11B Six wheel Unclassed 1885
Saloon Sleeping with upper berths. Two coaches were built, being converted by Holmes from existing late Wheatley or early Drummond saloons. Sleeps 6.
471, 472 35'-​2" 32'-​3" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 21'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0280 27 28 Six wheel Unclassed 1890
Prison Van. Built for conveyance of prisoners to Peterhead and replaced an earlier 4 wheeled carriage. One central door
7 38'-​5½" 35'-​6½" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 23'-​0" 4'-​0"
C0290 28 29 Six wheel Unclassed 1881-88
PO Sorting Tender (Gangwayed). Drummond built one in 1881 (drg No. 299C), Holmes added two more in 1888 (drg no. 312C) and 1891 (drg no. 327C). Note 312C did not have a corridor connection. 11 gas lamps and 4 skylights. All withdrawn prior to 1922.
No running number identified. 35'-​2" 32'-​3" 7'-​6" 11'-​8" 20'-​0" 4'-​0"
C1560 156 4B Six wheel Unclassed 1920
Saloon Engineer Carlisle. One coach converted by Chalmers from earlier Holmes sleeping coach (1920 diagram 11)
472 35'-​2" 32'-​3" 8'-​0" 11'-​8" 21'-​0" 4'-​0"